Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: I am on the phone with Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts. And first of all, welcome back to Detroit.
[00:00:07] Speaker B: Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.
[00:00:10] Speaker A: I'm excited to have you here.
First of all, I have to say that you posted when you started the tour announcement that you were coming to Detroit and what part of Detroit did you need to go to before the Rogue Tour started? And I went on every social media you had and I'm like, you need to stop by the Rogue Tour Randy Miles show.
So this is great.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: I'm working out. This is good.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: I am so glad that you're on the show today and you've created something really special with the Rogue Tour.
So what inspired the experience for you? And before you answer that, when I hear the word rogue, I think about, you know, doing something totally against the grain.
What do you mean by going rogue?
[00:01:00] Speaker B: Well, one, I feel like that's the state of the world right now. So many of us are used to things having some predictability to it. But as the world continues to move quickly, I think that many of us are thinking, how do I apply this age old formula that I thought would work into this world that feels so unpredictable? So when I started praying into it last year, it really was me asking God, how do we break up with some of maybe our own rules and own expectations for what life is supposed to look like so that we can be nimble enough to really move with this spirit and to respond however God would want us to respond to any given moment? I did not know when I was praying into it last year that my life would go rogue in so many ways this year. And so I do think that there is a grief and an acceptance and a re emergence that can happen when life doesn't go as we planned?
[00:01:53] Speaker A: The word nimble enough kind of strikes me because a lot of times when we are so rigid in our our thoughts, we have a tendency to, you know, not be able to see what's beyond that. So I love that word nimble. And you're also bringing quite a combination of women to Detroit. So what do we expect at the Masonic Temple when we walk through those doors?
[00:02:17] Speaker B: Oh, well, first of all, I'm excited for the women who are going to be in the room. You're right. We have some incredible women who are going to be sharing their stories and how they've met God and responded to life as it has gone rogue and maybe required them to go rogue as well. But I think what's most powerful is what happens when the women get into the room, and they're sitting next to each other. So we're going to have a night of worship, of education, of inspiration, but most importantly, we're going to lift up the name of Jesus and break some chains and strongholds. I believe it's going to be a time of revival for so many who've been feeling stuck.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: Speaking of that, one thing that stood out to me when you just spoke about it is going beyond the familiar. But sometimes familiar is where we feel safe.
What would you say to the woman who's just totally afraid to move?
[00:03:09] Speaker B: Well, you know, that's why I think these rooms are so important. I think about Mary and Elizabeth in Scripture and how the angel of the Lord came to Mary and said, you're going to do something unfamiliar, but then your cousin Elizabeth is going through something unfamiliar, too, and she takes off running towards Elizabeth. I think that what tonight represents is an opportunity for us to share our stories and make the unfamiliar become more familiar, because we have a woman who's walked down a path. And so I think storytelling, sharing our testimony, sharing how God has met us along our route is what empowers another woman. And so I would say keep your eyes, heart, and mind open to how God has moved in unprecedented ways in someone else's life and let it be a reminder of what's possible in your own.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: Mm. Well, on a personal level, you went through a really frightening accident earlier this year, and I know the experience changed you as you looked at your own evolution.
And maybe there's a message that you're bringing to women for this tour on the same line.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: For sure. You know, I think that I had a spinal cord injury and I had to have surgery, but I think I lived with, what, four weeks where the doctor told me, any sudden movement and you could be paralyzed or you could die.
And I think living under the weight of that has been something that I'm still wrapping my mind around. But I know that it changed me. And I think oftentimes when we go through traumatic experiences, we end up feeling like, oh, I'm not allowed to let it change me. So I keep reaching for who I used to be. And right now, I'm still discovering all of the ways that it has changed me. But I have accepted that it has.
And in accepting that it has, I'm lear. What does it look like for me to have faith from where I am now? What does it look like for me to have relationships and hope and purpose from who I am now and letting that be okay for me to be in a process of learning who I am again.
[00:05:06] Speaker A: Ooh, Letting it be. Okay. That is the key word for me. Well, when the women of Detroit leave the Rogue tour tonight, what's the one thing that you want them to carry home with them?
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Oh, one thing that's so hard? Yeah.
That the moments where it feels like life has betrayed us are the moments that God can use to create new beginnings and to hold the tension of those two truths. That it feels unpredictable and maybe unsafe. But also, God can bring deeper intimacy with him into our lives in those moments.
[00:05:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. Well, I thank you so much for taking a little time out for me. And again, the Rogue tours at Masonic Temple this evening in Detroit. Make sure that you get your tickets. You're in the house. I cannot wait to see you. And also, I have to let you know the Potter's house is on my bucket list of churches to visit.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: We'd love to host you in Dallas.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: Thank you so much.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: My pleasure.
